The recent debates at Indian Home Maker's blog triggered by this email, seemed very close to the thoughts that have been running in my own head for a couple of weeks now. The people who enter marriages today are very different from those who entered marriages in the past.
Until a couple of generations back, most women were unable to support themselves financially. Post marriage, the entire care of the woman fell upon her marital home. Throughout her life, a woman expected to be supported financially and emotionally by her marital family.
In return for this security, she integrated herself into this family and took its name, and was trained to follow its culture, food habits and dressing traditions, as well as to raise her children to do the same. Her relationship existed not only with her spouse but encompassed his entire extended family, of which she became a part. She usually married young enough to be able to absorb the new way of life. Because cross cultural marriages were rare, both her parental and marital homes often had the same lifestyle, and this made the transition easier.
Most of the traditions and customs were evolved with this model of marriage in mind. Over the last century or so, the status of women and their options have changed so drastically that a woman is able to support herself and, in some cases, even her in-laws with her income just as easily as a man. Despite this, today's wife is still expected to behave like the wife of a century ago, especially around her in-laws.
Over time, smart women have begun to see that they need not change their natures to suit anyone's caprices. However, since marriage has yet to evolve as fast as women themselves have, this has resulted in an epidemic of unhappy, discontented and bitter wives. Unless marriage catches up, more and more women of the future are going to opt to remain single or revert to singlehood. Also, more and more women are probably going to choose not to have children.
Most men who believe that this is merely a vague feminist threat, need only to look at countries like Britain who are paying people to have children. If men truly value their marriages and want to keep them, they need to skip the intermediate steps and adopt a more equal form of marriage, just as they would do with a new gadget.
No one buying their first computer today would insist on following the long route from the Intel 4004, to the Intel 8008 and working their way step by step till the P4s or the Quad Cores. But when it comes to their marriages, men are amazingly loyal to the old school. Perhaps because it favours them so much. Sometimes, small steps are not enough. Educated, smart women in Indian marriages today need a giant leap urgently. And this can only happen when the men catch up with their wives about the definition of marriage and understand why the two of them are there together in the first place.
As in the email, it is not so much the in-laws' interference that shatter the wives as it is the behaviour of the husbands themselves. Any woman would go up in arms if her husband is insulted or criticised by her family, unless he is an alcoholic, abusive, womaniser – and some times even then. Obviously, the scales fall off when her husband fails to defend her with the same fervour. He allows his family to ride rough shod over her and assumes that his husbandly services entitle him to expect that his wife will put up with it – since this is the way society works.
It is not that a woman can't tell her in-laws off. She can. But a bahu sassing the saas would be a lot more painful to the parents than a child putting his/her foot down. The moment a daughter-in-law or a son-in-law lays down some ground rules, things get nasty. However, men prefer to ignore the rude behaviour meted out to their wives. Considering that most of them are in it for life, it seems suicidal to burn your bridges before you even cross them. It would make more sense for them to maintain good relationship with the women who are going to be with them for the length of their future.
Despite the logic of this, a man does not do the smart thing. He feels so compelled to show his family and all the world that marriage has not changed him, that he insults the institution of marriage. How would he feel is his wife acted like she was single just so that her family and friends don't feel “left out?” When you marry, the rest of your circle is going to feel a little left out. If your circle can't handle it, it's time to find another circle, or go back to staying single.
I think if more men acknowledged that they're happy with their wives as they are and that their marriages are important/indivisible/irreversible parts of their lives, they would find that other people respect their marriages/spouses. The women don't seem to have too many problems making boundaries with their own families; I think it's because they acknowledge that their marriage is an important part of their lives. As for parents, they're all very nice in their place – outside your marriage.
I truly believe that all people should be grateful for kindnesses received, but giving birth to and raising a child – though a formidable task – benefits both the parents and the children. In different ways, perhaps. But it does benefit both. How does one express gratitude to someone for bringing them into existence and caring for them? I think this is an impossible task, because nothing you do can measure up. Just as nothing a parent does can compensate for the joys, challenges and learning experiences and social recognition that having children brings with it.
Despite the logic of this, a man does not do the smart thing. He feels so compelled to show his family and all the world that marriage has not changed him, that he insults the institution of marriage. How would he feel is his wife acted like she was single just so that her family and friends don't feel “left out?” When you marry, the rest of your circle is going to feel a little left out. If your circle can't handle it, it's time to find another circle, or go back to staying single.
I think if more men acknowledged that they're happy with their wives as they are and that their marriages are important/indivisible/irreversible parts of their lives, they would find that other people respect their marriages/spouses. The women don't seem to have too many problems making boundaries with their own families; I think it's because they acknowledge that their marriage is an important part of their lives. As for parents, they're all very nice in their place – outside your marriage.
I truly believe that all people should be grateful for kindnesses received, but giving birth to and raising a child – though a formidable task – benefits both the parents and the children. In different ways, perhaps. But it does benefit both. How does one express gratitude to someone for bringing them into existence and caring for them? I think this is an impossible task, because nothing you do can measure up. Just as nothing a parent does can compensate for the joys, challenges and learning experiences and social recognition that having children brings with it.
To extract payment for parental duties by controlling adult children or their spouses is cheap. If you cannot raise a child without expecting the child and his/her spouse and family to conform to your whims and fancies all their life, you are contemptible. You have no right to exercise any right on your adult kids or their spouses or their kids. Period. Especially, if they're not sharing a house with you. If they are, you compromise like two adults do. Don't play the parent-child bullshit card to get your way.
If they visit you, be as considerate towards them as you would be to your guests. If you visit them, be as considerate towards them as you would be with any other host. Being their parent does not give you the right to be fussy or mean. Resist the urge to parent once your kids are grown up.
If they visit you, be as considerate towards them as you would be to your guests. If you visit them, be as considerate towards them as you would be with any other host. Being their parent does not give you the right to be fussy or mean. Resist the urge to parent once your kids are grown up.
And considering you have no right to dictate terms to your independent adult child, there's no way in hell you have any business to tell your child's spouse and kids what to do and what not to do. It's hard enough for two people to get along and raise a family in these difficult times, without their families adding to the baggage.
If you had any real concern for your child or his/her family, you would not be making life hard for them. This is the kind of behaviour that is the one way ticket to a breakdown of relations between your child and his/her spouse or between your child and you.
If you had any real concern for your child or his/her family, you would not be making life hard for them. This is the kind of behaviour that is the one way ticket to a breakdown of relations between your child and his/her spouse or between your child and you.
20 comments:
It's almost entirely about insecurity, isn't it? I mean, there seems to be too much jealousy and ego that can cause no good. Perhaps a little less intrusiveness and a little more respect for space would do the trick.
Easier said than done, though. Sigh!
It really isn't about insecurity in all cases. Nor is it about jealousy or ego.
It's just that patriarchal societies are built on the premise that a woman needs to be indoctrinated in the ways of her 'real' family when she marries a man.
It's ridiculous to me that even though I interact with my husband's mother once in rare while (if that), she still insists on giving me little tips. Even after I disregard (rather rudely) these helpful tips, the woman is firmly entrenched in the belief that she must do her duty by me and teach me the ways of her family.
It is quite ridiculous.
As for my husband, this year has taught me that he will stand by me but not at the cost of confrontation with his family.
It took me a while to realize that I really don't need him to fight my battles for me because his definition of 'battles' varies so steeply with mine. I love him but we are learning to agree respectfully to disagree.
The whole 'in-law' relationship is a strange & odd one.
Very mature blog post. I agree with your views. Marriage (as it is viewed today) has to evolve fast .... and if men need families, they need to grow up asap
Excellent post. Once when writing about this on my blog, someone had commented that joint families are like large corporations where you give up certain freedoms in return for safety/security - to which my point was that women are instead gunning for the easier environment of smaller companies/start-ups a.k.a nuclear families! Obviously, men are holding on to the old structures and norms a lot more, because it favours them (in some ways). No one who has power will give it up willingly - until they see that they are losing something in the bargain - in this case, the love of their wives and peace at home.
Loved this post. Tweeted it and shared it on Buzz too. I hope it is read by a lot of people.
I completely agree with you, so long as women could be repressed and forced to accept the situation the system survived, now that they have a choice it is changing.
Men are (just like the women) conditioned to believe that the system empowers them, but how empowering is an unhappy, bitter, resentful, disappointed family, some controlling family members and thwarted individuality?
Some family members seem to benefit from the system - mainly those who had male children, but they too would be better off with a fairer system, where everybody is respected as equals. It's just a matter of getting used to a newer, fairer, more flexible system.
Wonderful post!
'He feels so compelled to show his family and all the world that marriage has not changed him, that he insults the institution of marriage. ' So true! If only both the man and the woman, just had one goal - to ensure that they have a happy marriage. Instead men have to bend backwards to show the world that marriage has not changed him at all, while the woman has to do everything to show that her whole life is now not her own :(
@ Sam: I agree with 'me.' There is no need for a woman to feel insecure or jealous if her son gets married. The only time a woman should feel insecure or jealous is if her partner has another intimate relationship. Jealousy and insecurity in a mother-son relationship smacks of Oedipus Complex in reverse.
@ Me: No wonder meeting family is so stressful. After looking at all the ansgt and melancholy around Thanksgiving and Christmas, I have come to relaise that only couples are meant to be together for good - families, per se, should break up home when the kids start working and get FAR away from each other.
@ Phoenixritu: Men are experts are ignoring the elephants in the room. Perhaps a herd blocking the view to their TV set and stamping on their Wii consoles would help.
@ Aparna: True
@ IHM: Even educated urban women of this generation ae burdened by the yoke of tradition. This is much worse in the rural/small town belts.
@ Smitha: I believe families really don't take a man very seriously. They infantalise him. Look at the way media portrays men. "Yeh kya bachpana hai," is a ubiquitous line that every wife/ girlfriend mouths. They all have the Peter Pan syndrome and wives and mothers encourage this trait.
I was mentally applauding each and every sentence of yours. My sentiments exactly.
Excellently written post> I agreee entirely _ its high time the institution of marriage kept up with the way we women are developing.
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Superb post! It got better and better with each para...and the last paras need a standing ovation!
We're a society full of infantilised adults. The women have grown up quite a bit, now it's the men's and elders turn!
Hear hear!
Careless, you could articulate the issue I've been wrestling with all my life so well. As a wife, I often feel that maybe I am in the wrong to expect my husband to be in my corner, not my mother-in-law's. And I use the boxing analogy deliberately, life with the in-laws often feels like a boxing match, where carefully calculated blows are exchanged in order to prove who's the top dog. How long and in how many ways does a man need to prove his gratitude to his parents? And how come my parents, being 'ladkiwalas', expect so little from my husband and his family? My parents don't even expect my husband to drop them home, because you know, he's the son-in-law! I think our notions of family relationships is so twisted and so undemocratic. On another note, how can India be a successful democracy when most Indian families are anything but?
hey anonymous - thats very true - how can India be a succesful democracy when most Indians have no concept of this idea within their own homes, whether it is the joint family system or just a couple living with their own children.
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@ Shail: Thanks Shail.
@ Kalpana Misra: Isn't it?
@ Starry-eyed: I agree with the infantalised adults. There's so much ageism in our society. And it's misused.
@ Shyam: :)
@ Anonymous: You are so right. If only a couple could be alone in their marriage without the appendages. They'd take a lifetime to learn to live together and will enjoy at least some of the journey. Otherwise it will be a lifetime of compromises.
@ Kalpana: I don't think we're a successful democracy, but we can be kind to one another at the very least. To think that in the land of detachment and maya, we have so many busybodies!
Very few men commenting here...
I think this tirade is essentially letting off the steam from personal experiences or maybe second hand ones from those close...
starting thus from the opposite side of the fence, i can already notice quite a few ladies dragging out the daggers...lol ; but i would sum up my initial thoughts by just three points. ( and I do NOT disagree with what you ladies have said- so please put down the daggers back for the moment..LOL )
Point No 1 - I presume most educated, smart, liberated and well off women as described in the write up make their own choice of the life partner. Some fully knowing the basic characteristics of the guys hoping they would tame them. It seldom happens that way, hence all men are generalized to be in the same category. My point is only this - there are MANY good guys out there who respect and treat their spouse as more than equal. So its a question of a conscious choice we make. Who do we blame for that?
Point No 2 - It is the women who are women's worst enemy as far as differentiation at family level is concerned. We do not hear as much about father in law or brother in law ill treating a woman. I feel it is women (saas, bahu, nanad, etc - at times even the newly married wife!)...who wants to control circumstances; this leads to situations where a man is expected to take sides! And I think the general opinion here would be that he takes extreme positions...its either this or that. Is it practical? Especially when the truth may not even be known to the poor guy- since most undercurrents take root behind his back over trivial issues that build up subsequently. A case in point, when our own mother gives tips and gems of knowledge which in any case we disregard (being smart or worldly wise) why have it against the poor MIL if she does the same?
Point No 3 - The issues raised here are not as widespread as brought out - I would dare to say that most marriages are good, we don't hear of them, that's about all. It is like we don't hear of honest people who are plenty, but judge the society by a few dishonest ones who come to light. Generally marriage is a happy occasion, bringing up children is the most wonderful thing for a couple, treating everyone as equal in a house is what everyone wants and tries to do. Blaming the husband or wife or family, expecting one or the other to take sides is NORMAL too but why emphasis only on husband's family? Every family also has issues between father and son, mother daughter, siblings, EVERY ONE has problems; so a newly married wife too is bound have have her share. It is normal...maybe a new set of norms and circumstances are a bit different initially but those are the rules of the game in that house for all.
That's it - All i wanted to say was that life is as beautiful as we make it. The fault can also lie with the woman who enters a new home; education, independence and smartness has got the least to do with the art of human relationship which is a sublime of virtues that we inculcate as parents and society ( for both men as well as women ).
@Dreemzguy: I tried to answer this comprehensively, but it became too long so I converted this into a post. Please find the link here .
good post. but it is not only men or the institution of marriage that has to change, but often women themselves. one often sees highly accomplished indian women who are unmarried because they are unwilling to marry someone from another community etc. what do you think?
@now a Münchnerin: I agree that women should think about looking for partners outside their own communities.
However, from another point of view, inter-community marriages are harder to sustain due to differences in language, food habits, customs and lifestyles.
Also, once the couple is married, interactions with both extended families is often festival/function oriented - where these play a major role.
The arrival of children complicate the situation much further. This could be one of the reasons why people don't prefer these kinds of marriages.
You do see this farcical arrangement in such situations where a couple weds twice or thrice - once in court, the second time according to the bride's community rituals and the third time according to the groom's.
This makes such a farce of the whole wedding, though I am sure some people do enjoy it.
What a wonderful post! You are one of the best bloggers around, glad I discovered you via IHM
Wow..you have handled the problem with very maturity..it is a delicate issues..boys are just not ready to listen to anything and believe in the problems that we (girls) actually face due to little but millions of demands from in laws..and they say they only expect only 1 or 2 things to expect from us...
This is from my own personal experience that our so compatible relationship has turned so sour after in laws moved in and trust me i tried my best adjusting to their ways for the first 2 years but then they never get satisfied..and it becomes all the more frustrating when your husband also becomes your MIL..lols..but it is so hard..really!!!
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